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Centenarians on lessons of Great Depression

Posted: Friday, November 21, 2008 3:52 PM by Ian Sager
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From John Rutherford, Producer, NBC News, Washington

During the Great Depression of the 1930s, Mickey Weiner supplemented his teaching salary at Irvington High School in New Jersey by repossessing cars for a local bank and working as a lifeguard, a waiter and a bartender.

"In general, everyone had a tough time because of the Depression years," Weiner, who just turned 100, said recently. "There was a lot of unemployment, and people who had jobs were lucky. I had a job, and I was pretty well taken care of. I had a new Ford I bought. It cost a little over $500."

Gas cost 12 cents a gallon back then, which was a good thing, because Weiner's salary was cut in 1932 from $1,800 to $1,200 a year. That didn't stop him from continuing at Irvington High for the next 42 years, retiring in 1974 as principal. He and his wife Ginny live in relative comfort because of investments he made over the years in the stock market.

"I've gotten myself a house and a lot that's worth about $1 million, and it's more than I earned teaching, and that's because of the stock market," he said.

Weiner believes today's tough times will turn around in a couple of years.

"It's a bad year," he said, "but it'll come back, that's the thing. Right now it's not too good. I think eventually it'll turn around and become better."

Another centenarian, 100-year-old Herbert Winckelmann of Staunton, Va., is also generally optimistic about the future.

"I believe our government has learned from what has happened, and I don't believe that it could ever again be the same as the Great Depression," he said.

Winckelmann was born and raised in Germany, which descended into Depression long before the rest of the world because of its loss in World War I.

"My dad, uncle, grandmother and other relatives were all small millionaires," he said. "The paper money and bonds became worth nothing. My father had an import and export business to Africa and lost his business. We lost everything. We had to start up from nothing."

A third centenarian, 100-year-old Mitchell McNair of Los Angeles, lived through the Great Depression in the small Arkansas town of Fordyce, where the Rock Island and St. Louis Southwestern railroads crossed in the southern part of the state.

"It affected me pretty bad," he said. "I was working at a saw mill, and the thing shut down, and I went looking for a job, and there wasn't no jobs. So it was a sad time. They passed out some black flour for us, see, and we got a sack of that black flour. I don't know what they did with the good flour."

How did he survive?

"The best I could, just like all the rest of them," he said. "Get what you could. Oh, I worked on the farms and what have you. There wasn't no jobs. I never lived through nothing like that before, and I hope I won't have to again."

McNair, who moved to California in 1939 and later owned several gas stations, said it's hard to compare the Great Depression with what's happening today.

"I don't see it being quite as bad," he said. "I hope not. I don't think it will be, but, 'course, we can't tell. We just don't know what's coming."

Photos: Mickey Weiner as a lifeguard in 1930; Herbert Winckelmann with younger brother Fritz in 1919, and Mitchell McNair in 2008 (family photos).

Willard Scott featured all three centenarians on NBC's TODAY show. If you know of any centenarians who've had a brush with history over the past century, please tell us a little bit about them in the comments section below and be sure to fill in your return e-mail address so we can get back to you for more details.

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I enjoyed this article very much.Of course I prize all the widsom that these people have amassed.Thank God they were are forrunner's.God Bless and Keep Them All.  Angie C
Time is never the same, The 1930's great depression is the worst experiences that people ever met in history.It teached people a lot of lessons and how to beat, how to survive at very difficult times. Everything has two sides good or bad just as sun has shine and shade. Things will change good to bad, also will change bad to good. Only if people realize their own mistakes, correct them in time, and try their best to change , There will see everything will change better soon.
There is a lady from Emporia Kansas that was just mentioned on the news last night - she is 109 - spanning 3 centuries :)
I would like the Today show to NOT have Jim Cramer or Susie Orman on the show again.  The Today show would be better served to have "experts" who do not have a vested interest in having viewers tune into their shows. Jim and Susie are humans and they could be creating tension/issues to perpetuate the economic problems and create job security for themslved and for their show.  I would like the Today show to have positive people with new messages, not the same old message everytime they're on.  This morning at the end of Jim Cramer's comments he had to lay it on thick.  PLEASE START GOING ELSEWHERE FOR NEW IDEALS FOR THE SHOW.
There are many thing we can learn from our older generations.  One one the biggest life and business lessons is playing out at my company...Boscov's department stores, where our former CEO/owner Al Boscov is coming out of "retirement" to save us from bankruptcy.  He is 79yrs old and with his former partner and brother in law Ed Lakin 84 yrs old -- they are putting their personal assets and good names on the line in a bid to save their former company.  At an age where everyone is seeing CEOs ruin companies for their own profit -- we can see a life lesson from two men who are are giving up the "golden" years for their employees.  Our "seniors" are very under rated.
This guy has the right stuff,hard work translated to success , and apositive attitude helps alot in times like this. Good Job
Lessons from the depression have never been more relevant than they are right now.
I believe that you have a unique opportunity on the Today show to help steer the ship and change the way this country thinks.  By using a positive and affirming voice in the news media, you can create a positive voice for change in this country.  I would like to hear the Today show hosts speak in positive voices about the things people are doing right in this world.  I am unhappy with the tabloid TV that the Today show has become and want you to consider that your viewers may be intelligent men and women who are looking for affirmative positive conversations about ways that we can all do our part.  For example, you could have a contest to see which city is the greenest (how many incandescent light bulbs are turned in and exchanged for fluorescent light bulbs).  Recycling communities – Find out how communities across the nation are putting less in the landfills.  I would love to see positive stories of small companies that are making innovative products and using recycled materials.  Discuss how we can make train travel in the Eastern corridor faster, safer and more elegant (like the European trains).   Discuss how each American can go to their local school and volunteer SOMETHING – time, talent or money – to make our children’s education a great one.  How are some States providing healthcare? You can promote a way of thinking that is hopeful and positive rather than cynical and dark.  All of us want to turn to our leaders in times of challenge and see someone who is strong and positive and who has an action plan for each American.  I want your voice at the Today show to be hopeful and focused on not only the big steps government may take but the tiny steps that many communities are taking that will together cause amazing changes in the world in which we live.  Be a positive voice for change.

As I tuned to the Today show this morning I was very distressed to hear Matt Lauer voice the idea that President-Elect Obama was somehow being too pushy (Two presidents?) by assembling his cabinet and getting ready to take office to do something to change the course of the ship we are on. The entire tone of the story was negative and really said disparaging things about the real people who have stepped up to help and contribute to key positions in the new administration.  I was so sad to hear that one appointee declined to accept the position because the media would  I expected that the Today show would have said, “We are truly blessed this Thanksgiving that Obama is working hard to make sure his cabinet positions are filled and that he is working as hard as he can to build a team of individuals who will work for the common good of this country.  We are thankful that Pres. Bush has expressed his willingness to help during the transition and that people are coming together to rebuild the foundations of this great country.”

As the late Christopher Reeves said, “Once you choose hope, anything is possible.”  So, please take this email to heart.  You could even do a survey of ratings and compare your viewers’ feelings about themselves and the country after a week of positive broadcasting.  
I like the article but am really looking for a way to find Lester Holt's Cranberry Chutney recipe that was on Weekend Today Novemver 22nd.  How can you put a recipe on the show and not have a link for it?  The only food links are basically advertisements for professional chef recipes!  Today website totally useless.  I want Lester Holt's cranberry Chutney recipe!!!
i was born in 1934 (there were 5 children in the family then ) and 5 more were born before 1944 )all were born at home .we must have moved 6 times between my birth and the last 4 (girls) were born. According to Paul Krugman ,the Depression lasted until 1941 . If you had "good "parents ":My father was an addicted gambler before i was born so our depression lasted much longer , even after the war.. so as stories go and Depressions go it is all relative to the Family . I guess ..
we have not learned anything since the War of 9140's .WW2 ( we have allowed the Adminstration to turn this country into a "Fascist State " so just making positive statements on TV does nothing if they are robbing us blind ,just read books about the "Great Depression ",Hoover should have gone over the Dam" if they were going to name it after him .. CNBC has been instrumental in doing what Hoover did . They followed him to a T.
I have a comment about the way celebrities help other countries with millions of dollars (Brad Pitt , etc.} I feel they should take care of the starving people in America before any foreign country. We have so much poverty here in America, why don't they start here????  Adopt a child from your own country.  Our country needs help!!  Where are all the celebrities???????
Just out of curiosity, who is the African American man that is on the front row, out where the people stand outside every morning?
I believe this is the time for all people to find what they can do in their own communities to make our own world just a little bit better. I agree with Veronica Heide that this is not the time to be pessimistic, but rather look forward. Government cannot do it alone. We as a nation must do what ever it takes to work hand in hand with our new president and his cabinet. By the way, Brad Pitt and Angeina Jolie have built homes (wonderful) in the district 9 in Louisiana. Please, research facts. If we each gave a dollar to the " Feed a Child" organization, imagine the change that would bring. Life is tough for many folks, but we will get through it. I have faith that this too shall pass.    
the cadillac route at A and t was to run about 7 yards, then make a 45 degree angle cut toward the inside and break down quickly and then cut right parallel to the yard lines across the face of the quarterback
mister freeze
I have charged so much to the game
That I need a rebate
And a better interest rate
I agree with you Rochelle...why cant we take care of our own first.  Im afraid America's greed will be and has been our biggest downfall.  Its also sad to see almost every state now depending on gambleing to survive.  Just take ten cents of every dollar that is spent daily and put it in a proverty pool and no one in America should go hungry. Just my opinion.
Hi I was looking for a place to post about the automakers bailout but I guess this will do....First off I'm a salesman at a small Ford dealership in northwest Arkansas after watching the show today I saw where the bailout includes shutting down a bunch of dealerships.....What am I supposed to do?I live on a limited income already with what has happened with the automotive industry in the last year. And with nobody hiring in the small town I live in it leaves me to wonder if I to will fall into the catagory of the people that can't pay their mortgages. I don't understand how Ford can have a union for their plant workers but yet dealership employees are left in the cold when the shutdowns take place. Is there anyone to help? If anyone has any ideas please let me know, as I'm very scared on what is to happen in the next month. I think the C.E.O. of Ford owes me an explanation as I have sold his product for the past 5 years and have endorsed his product telling people how it is better than the rest. I feel as if unless something is done I will not continue to do this for him anymore.
you previously gave an address to send care packages to restrepo. viper company in afganistan. reported by richard engal. could you please give the address again. the one i am sending it to. the postmaster said the zip code is not valid? thankyou kimberly feltz.texas
i like the word intervention
so i will come up some smooth way to utilize it

some cats need
divine intervention
to convert to the winning column
ie. loss prevention
hard to follow when you just watch
and cannot listen
hard to match the diamond
especially when it glistens
similar to the simutaneous camera flashes
result of the sound when the ball
and the net clashes
and one the ref calls
can you beleive that
and they said he wasnt that tall

mr freeze
frosty

I think that people in the USA do not realize how great they have it.

Could a great depression happen again. Oh yeah! Maybe not quite the same way as in 1929 but it could in a different way.

Just look what is going on all over the world
Matt, Ron Brown, who was the DNC Chairman and ran Clinton's election run the president, was very good Commerce Secretary. Also, don't forget he wanted that job , when he could have probadly had any job in Clinton's administration.  
Al Roker was incorrect the other day (Wednesday Morning) when he said the Rockefeller Tree came from Princeton.
Althought more people have heard of Princeton and know where it is - the tree came from Hamilton.

Thanks

Please let me know


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