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What's Really Behind Miss England's Weight?

Posted: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:51 AM by Dan Fleschner
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This morning, Meredith interviewed Miss England, Georgia Horsley, who was told by pageant organizers that if she hopes to win the Miss World title, she'll have to put on a few pounds. WATCH VIDEO

There's been some confusion about this whole thing because Miss Horsley, while obviously thin, is not a "stick figure" and looks pretty healthy.

She's a size four (American) and has a self-described "athletic" build. The way this has been portrayed in the media is that this story is a reaction to the "size zero" phenomenon in which models have gotten dangerously skinny over the years.

But the way I see this is that it's not about body image or being a good role model for young girls. It's a calculated move by pageant organizers to say to her, "Your body type won't win this pageant. Let's make you more voluptuous to win the title!"

If people want to interpret this as a way to promote good eating habits for young girls, I'm all for it. But let's not confuse what's going on here -- this is about winning a beauty pageant, not striking a blow for good health and positive body images.

Should Miss England pack on the pounds? VOTE HERE

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Her body looks great!!!! But look at her teeth....
I'm 116 lbs and 5'3 at age 23. Am I to believe I have an unhealthy weight? The girl looks fine as she is. Not everyone is naturally overweight.
Lisa from Denver could not have said it better myself "Bluk up on knowledge, ladies, and forget about cup size!"  
I can't believe that people are judging her health and whether she has an eating disorder by her height and weight.  Some people just can't accept the fact that some women are very thin AND healthy.  So much has to do with your genetic predisposition to be a certain size, the size of your frame, etc.  I'm 5'9 and not too much heavier than she is and I can assure you that all of my adult life I have been around the same size while eating healthily.  I find it insulting that people can't imagine that she's that size without being anorexic.  

As far as her situation goes, I think she should stay just as she is.  As somebody with an "athletic" build - (i.e. not curvy) gaining weight is not necessarily going to give an hourglass figure.  Wouldn't it be great if when we gained weight, it all went to our chests!
I think that this is so utterly silly.  She is a healthy weight and looks great.  I am her height and I weigh less, I also have become sick and tired of hearing people tell me to put on weight.  I am healthy and I can not change my genes.  I would love to hear someone say that thin woman who are healthy, and healthy eaters are beautiful and desireable.  I would like thin women to represent the image of beauty and not feel that we have to wear padded bra's in order to be considered attractive or healthy.  Georgia, you look great, don't change anything!
Didn't anyone but me notice your vote choices were...add a few pounds... or.. stathin and HEALTHY.. or.. don't care... why did they include the word healthy with the thin comment... are you saying people who aren't thin aren't healthy.. the problem is not really whether she adds pounds or not... the problem is with the media's constant message to our youth of "you have to be bone thin to look good or be healthy"...and by the way.. the beauty pageant is a job... all jobs have qualificaions and restrictions... if she doesn't like the job or its rules get out... if your were the receptionist for a company.. but didn't like talking on the phone..you get my point..
This is not about adding or taking off weight.   This is about a bunch of lecherous men trying to define and impose their ideal of perfect feminine beauty.  In other words, making woman think that unless they conform to these absurd, almost impossible to meet standards, there is something wrong with them.  Beauty comes in all shapes and colors.  Small, tall, skinny, large, blonde, brown, black or yellow.  Who the hell cares, we women are like flowers, different yet all so beautiful.  Screw beauty contests and their ridiculous standards.  Tell all of these stupid, lecherous, leering perverts to go to hell....
She also needs some booty and hips -- like the women in brazil !
If her bmi is within the normal range, then I don't see a problem.  But she should denitely not lose weight, or she will tip over into the underweight range.  It wouldn't hurt her to gain a little.  But I think this whole thing is resulting from the problem with underweight models collapsing and dying - there was one anyway, in Spain I think.  I think it's a good thing to promote a healthy weight - which she appears to have.  All underweight models should be told to gain weight.  And overweight models - if there are any - should lose.  It's good to find a healthy middle ground for everyone.
Hey, Becca?  AMEN!!!  It's high time to rid the world of "beauty" pagents.  We have more pressing issues facing the human race.  We don't need that dreck shoved down our throats.
Maria Payan..I love your post..you are so right on!
wow! i thought only usa was promoting OBESITY.. now the whole world too?!
ps: becka your FAT!
lol
Ah Becca. Your message is a typical rant from an obvious parentally forced, past your prime, disgruntled pageant contestant. I was waiting for one of you to pop up here.
She should stay at her natural body weight. For all those ignorant people who say that 4 is too thin on a person who is 5'9", or even 4'9", you're being a little bit ignorant to the obesity problem. Anywhere from a size 4-10 is pretty healthy; however it's not the average anymore so anyone on the low end of that is considered "unhealthy" or too skinny. I am 5'9, 125-130 pounds, and I have a BMI well into the healthy range. Additionally, I eat a lot and simply can't gain weight. I am not unhealthy, or too skinny.
Beauty pageants are insulting to all women.  Most of the "beautiful" people are insecure, obsessed with their looks, and miss out on a lot of life worrying about their physical appearance, weight, hair, plump lips, etc.   Beauty will always come from within, and the most beautiful people are those that are totally comfortable in their own skin.  life is far too short, and i like my desserts.  
Give me a break. She looks perfectly fine. What they really want is for her to get breast implants so she'll have boobs that are too big for her frame.
I am 5'4" and all during my teenage years I weighed 97 llbs, because of my culture I was always told to gain weight.  I did when I was in my twenties and went to 130 lbs which was societies perfect weight. In my 40's I started to rapidly gain weight and is now 190 lbs.  Oh,how I wish to be 97 lbs again.  This young lady if perfectly fine now, she may or may not gain weight later on in life.  Lifestyle and genetics will determine this

E Bernice
Personally, I don't like her figure.  I'm not into the "boyish" straight up and down look, but I don't think she looks unhealthy.  It is obvious that she is like that naturally, and not starving herself.  I think its wrong for her to be asked to gain weight, but I also think its ridiculous when people act suprised when pagents are superfical.  That's all they are!  The judges and the contestants are equally ridiculous for wanting to be part of such nonsense.  
I saw the Today segment this morning and I think Georgia is just gorgeous - exactly the way God made her!  If society wants to be concerned over someone, has anyone seen Courtney from Survivor lately?  Hello, that girls needs seriously pack on the pounds!
Looking at her website, she is not "thin."  She looks NORMAL.  She even has a butt on her that actually sticks out.  The only thing that everyone seems to be concerned about is BOOBS.  She doesn't have much on top but would help with the "curvy" issue.  I'm so glad her ribs, clavicle, and hip bones are not sticking out that a lot of the Miss USA contestants seem to promote with boob jobs.  Frankly, Georgia won the contest on other attributes, such as her talent and speaking abilities, not just her ability to be beautiful to what men think is an "ideal" woman appearance.
Marilyn Monroe was a size 8.  Nobody told her she had to lose weight! A 4 for someone of her height is very thin, but we are talking about a beauty contest, where there is too much emphasis on how-you-look instead who-you-are.  I want to see a contest were everybody wears an enormous sack and we ask what they have done to make the world a better place.
    The way I see it, this story isn't even about the girl.  She is just a pawn in an attempt to rescue beauty pageants from increasing irrelevance.  Ratings have been falling for years, and pageant promoters are trying to bring eyeballs back in front of televisions by creating "controversies" like this one.

    I offer the trials of a Miss USA contestant (I forget her name) from this year as evidence. The young lady had a substance abuse problem and was threatened with the stripping of her crown - as if that would be a great tragedy.  Donald Trump, being the promoter that he is, whipped up a feud with Rosie O'Donnell and brought the issue much more attention than it deserved.  As a side note, how long can it be before said pageant is named "Miss Trump USA?" The whole thing was nothing more than a means of bringing Miss USA some attention and rescuing another of Trump's misguided, ego-driven purchases.  I'm not sure if more people watched or if it drove them away.  At the very least, it got Mr. Trump yet more time if front of the cameras.  

    The public has figured out that these events are about nothing more than physical beauty.  They have nothing to do with talent and skill.  Disagree?  Name one winner who has gone on to accomplish anything of substance on the world stage.

    The beauty pageant as a cultural event is coding.  Someone call a time of death.
Well, it's about time that this issue was addressed. I have gone through the same thing my whole life. I have always had a thin build and have never struggled with the over-weight issue. Everybody seems to strive for a healthy weight and for those of us that are in that median, being critizied is just a bit of an insecurity for those who do it! I do agree that if someone tells me to gain weight, it's the same as telling an obese person to loose it. A healthy weight takes maintenance either way you look at it and some of us are just born with good genes! Georgia looks just fine and coming from someone in the same boat, she is an inspiration!! Thanks
I agree with Maria to "tell all those stupid, lecherous and leering perverts to go to hell".
Also agreeing with Real Woman "its high time to rid the world of beauty pagents". Our society does have bigger issues that need to be solved than to worry about PERFECT appearence.
How dare Miss World organizers?! I thought beauty pageants was about embracing women of all shapes, sizes and colors?
If I were Miss England, I'd sue their behinds for discriminating against me for being too thin. Fat people do it all the time! People come in all different shapes and sizes! Imagine the outcry if this had been a fat woman told to lose weight. I guess it's O.K. to let skinny women be ashamed of their bodies.
If she wants to be thin, so be it. As long as she's happy, but if she wants to win, she better start eating hot fudge sundaes, cause most of the world like women with curves and not stick figures. Once you get into modeling, acting, the arts, you must be what the world wants. Good luck to her as Miss England but she will never be Miss World."Real Women Have Curves"
As someone who was very thin naturally during my adolescent years, 20s, and 30s, it was very upsetting to have people tell me you need to gain some weight you are too thin.  I ate whatever I wanted and never was able to gain weight.  I also was small in the bust but I never caved in and got implants the way too many girls do today - implants are not healthy.  People should just mind their own business and let those who are naturally thin stay the way they naturally are just as those who are naturally larger should be left alone.  Weight is a personal issue.  Obviously if someone is clearly anorexic that person's family should intervene but it is not up to the person on the street to judge others simply by their looks.  I personally think that this girl is simply beautiful and I wish that there had been girls like her in the pageants I watched when I was younger - people of all shapes and sizes need to see their body types represented.
Rachel of Ohio:  How is 5'9" and size 4 considered anorexic?  How is size 4 at ANY height considered anorexic?  It's clearly evident by your comment that you have no idea what constitutes being healthy or what a size 4 means nowadays (due to size inflation).  I'm 24 and I have always been a size 0 or 2 (110 lbs), but I am far from anorexic--I exercise 2x weekly and always eat when I'm hungry (which is often).  I think I look great in clothes and I am happy with my weight.

If you consider Miss England anorexic, then what does that make me--a skeleton?  Please, wake up and smell the coffee.  I am really disgusted with people like you who just assume that anyone who is skinny must be anorexic.
What we all think about her weight or looks doesn't matter. What matters is that she wants to be in the pageant.  That's it!  If she wants to play in that game, she needs to follow their rules.  Simple!
I think she needs more curves she actually needs more of a butt In today's society men are attract3d to women with big butts Remmber the term flat chested well now thats moved to flat butt. Flat butted women are not seemed sexually intriguing as curvy women with a butt especially a bubble butt!!
JB, love the post. Modeling and beauty pageants are supposed to be for people who are not average. Why does everyone think that the people who do those things should look like "real women". And who are any of you to say who "real women" are. They come in all heights, weights, sizes, and shapes. Just because someone isn't what you think they should be doesn't mean they're not the way God created them to be.
I am also 20 years old, 5'8", and a size 4, but weigh only 115lb (52 kilo). And, like her, I also "suffer" from a "small chest". I think that Ms. Horsley looks perfectly healthy, and that this debate is ridiculous. At least she's not anorexic or sculpted by surgeons, and has her own body. Stop trying to squish everybody into the same mold... we won't fit!
I feel like the argument being put forth is just as damaging to young girls as asking her to lose weight. I'm 5'4", 101 pounds, and very healthy. I eat well, exercise, and just happen to have a small body frame and high metabolism. I have received negative comments my whole life regarding my size, but god forbid I comment on the obesity epidemic in America! That would just be socially unacceptable! Having an open mind includes accepting people of all shapes and sizes, and not making uneducated statements such as claiming someone is anorexic or obese without actually knowing what those terms mean.  
I am pretty much the same size, body frame as Miss London and I am a 36 year old mother of a 10 month old. I was her size at 20 and after having my child I am back to the same size. It's all genetics! I am just naturally thin but healthy thin. Miss London looks great; she said she eats alot and works out so she doesn't seem to have any issues with herself physically.

They need to address the young women in this world that do have eating disorders and issues with their body image. Leave Miss London alone!

Good Luck Georgia!!!  

I think the message should have been more, "Please feel free to gain, not lose, weight, as the women around the world are perfectly happy with more weight."

She's not "athletic" with those thighs and skinny arms.  If she started walking a mile a day--with a long stride--she would lose the weight downstairs, and lift her butt.  Then she could lift weights (just 5 pounds each arm would help) and be able to put on weight in her chest and arms without adding it anywhere else.  Marilyn Monroe lifted weights for more curvy arms and shoulders.  Not only that, she will be strengthening her back and skeleton, for a stronger future!!
..heck no; she looks terrific just the way she is; what is going thru the judges' minds???
I think it's horrible that because there are so many fat people that they want the skinny people to be fat too. Perhaps the status quo is cvhanging.. I'm fat and I won't even look at a fat girl so please don't make them all fat, I'll never ever consider reproducing if that's the case.. If anything make them all skinny not fat.. Skinny is more healthy than fat.. Wake up people..  
For those of you who think this story is a waste of time, I don't think you're getting the bigger picture.  In the US we have serious issues.  We live in a world of extremes.  People starving themselves to try and obtain an "ideal body" An epidemic of obesity, most severly in our children.  A serious increase in plastic surgery, specifically breast augmentation.  We live in a world where what you look like is who you are, how you're judged and how your treated.  As frivilous as the story may seem it is just a glimpse at the direction our world is going.  
As lots of people have pointed out, the issue isn't really her weight or if she is too thin. The issue is that they want her to have bigger boobs on the exact same body she has now! Not exactly a victory for "real women"
I think she looks great! She's cute, graceful, and not at all too thin by any stretch of the imagination. She's a natural beauty, and that's that!
If ANYTHING, she could use a bit of muscle tone, but she's young, and that will come!
Well done, and just be yourself!
I am 5'7" and weigh 110 on a heavy day. I have eat the constantly and never seem to gain any weight. Some people are naturally thinner and some are naturally larger. It is rather upsetting to be told that you are to large or skinny to be pretty or to skinny to be a good role model. If some one is their natural, God given weight, what does that have to do with being a good role model?

By the way, Wendy I agree with your comment. Maybe she does just need to get a swimsuit that better fits her body. I am an A cup and I once had a swimsuit that made my breasts look huge.
She is willing to participate in the pagent and is willing to try to fit a particular ideal of feminine beauty. She has made her choice and it seems to make her happy and she probably wants to win, so why wouldn't she try to be the ideal the judges are looking for? I'm glad she is decisive about what she is willing to do to get what she wants. Just because she is a pagent participant now doesn't mean she will be forever. How many of us wouldn't jump at the chance to do something out of the ordinary with our lives? I think many young women hope to use the pagent system to achieve all sorts of goals. I don't condone the pressure to think that ultra thin is the only beauty. I'm far from thin anymore since my son was born but I think she isn't doing anything that she doesn't want to do and she should be applauded for being goal oriented. She looks fabulous and why shouldn't she try to win? If I were motivated to do the contest I probably would come to the same decision to put on a couple pounds.

I am actually more interested in what she plans on doind with her life after she is done with the pagent circuit. What will all this pagent-life lead to for her? Actress, politician, scientist, professor? What comes next when she isn't a beauty queen? That is more interesting that whether she puts on the weight or where the weight goes.
This woman is beautiful, sexy, and should not even consider adding weight.

She is perfect the way she is, and very healthy.

Athletic and voluptuous are both beautiful.
When I was 20 years old I was a size ZERO, and five seven. Quit calling her anorexic! I worked at mcdonalds and ate there all the time, never threw up, never starved myself! Some people are just naturaly that size in their youth. Gawd!
THE TWO PIECE SHE HAS ON DOESN'T HELP. THE TOO LOW
BOTTOM ON THE LONG TORSO MAKES THE TUMMY LOOKS POOCHY, WHICH I MAY BE. THE ONE PIECE JANTZEN ISN'T A BAD IDEA.
In my twenties I was exactly her build - 5'8", 126lbs, size 4.  At 35, I am barely heavier at around 130lbs and still wearing a size 4.  I don't starve myself to look this way.  For health reasons unrelated to weight, I have had to reduce or eliminate my consumption of wheat products, milk, and sugar. Plain and simple, this is my natural weight on a healthy well-balanced diet.  However, I have spent my whole life being told that my breasts are too small, that I looked like a boy, or that I wasn't feminine.  All those negative comments resulted in my mild obsession with wanting to look like Catherine Zeta-Jones while knowing I will never have those kinds of curves and have left me with the negative feeling that I will never be womanly enough.  Shame on all of you for criticizing someone's natural body type.  The effect of this sort of mental abuse on naturally slender women is just as horrible as insulting someone by implying they are fat, obese, overweight, etc.  But no one thinks they are insulting a thin woman when they make comments like "You're so skinny.  You must never eat."  When was the last time you heard a total stranger say to a restaurant patron, "You really shouldn't eat that. You're fat enough already."?  And yet, I have had total strangers tell me I should be eating more because I am too skinny!
Bravo, Lydia, if they want every contestant to be Salma Hayek (nothing wrong with Salma OR Miss England) then vote those as your country's rep in the Miss World.

As a man married to a woman who was size six for twelve and a half years - from the time I met her in college, married and just had our third child - and just cracked the size eight barrier, let me say:  LEAVE THE THIN PEOPLE ALONE!  Thin body types are not a genetic aberration and having one does not make you an "automatic" eating-disorder person.  Get a grip and quit traumatizing those who have no control over the fact that they are thin.  My wife, and her sister, both eat and exercise and are healthy.  Yet stupid (yes, STUPID) people constantly make their "harmless" comments about being pencil thin, needing a few potatoes, being in need of some extra help up top and innumerable other ridiculous comments.  If you are that self-concious that you need to make smarmy comments about another's body to cover your own lack of confidence or self-worth, then go work on yourself and quit talking to/about others.

You have no idea the harm you inflict on others with your words.  I am a little plump and have had plenty of verbal abuse, but I can attest that thin people cry just as much and just as hard as anyone else.  It is absolutely absurd.

My wife hates her new weight gain and it is not healthy for her, no matter what others may think when they see her fully clothed.  She would tell you she is sluggish, wears out quicker than normal and just feels unhealthy with the "stealth" fat rolls and dimples that can only be seen unclothed.  We now both have 20 lbs. to lose.  We're not trying to get back to our college bodies, we're working to stay healthy.  If we get back to our "thin" bodies in the process, so be it.  Just shut up when you see us walk by.
Props to Ms. Horsley for having a healthy self-image and being happy with herself.  Like she says, she's only trying to gain weight up to the point that she's not doing anything unhealthy or crazy.  Don't hate just because she's thin; there'd be an uproar if it were the opposite and people were saying someone was too fat, but somehow it’s okay to criticize someone for being skinny.  People come in all kinds of shapes and sizes and this includes thin, skinny people, too.  Just because we're thin, it doesn't mean that we're unhealthy, or starving ourselves, or are anorexic, like some people are suggesting here.  I'm 5’5”, 100 lbs., and a size 0, and even having had a baby and gaining normal, healthy weight during my pregnancy, I dropped back down to 0 about 2 months or so after giving birth; no, I didn't starve myself or do anything unhealthy (you can't do that and expect to still nurse!), I've just got a fast metabolism.  Try calling me anorexic, and I’ll show you how much I can out-eat you (and not binging and purging either).  Sure, I’m not stuffing myself with junk food and I eat healthy, but it all really comes down to how my body is built.  So to say that this is the media trying to present an unrealistic view by saying that she’s a size 4 but isn’t too thin is simply untrue.  A realistic view is not necessarily one where everyone is not skinny.  

As for that “health teacher,” I’m so glad I did not have you as my teacher, because if you had tried to present me as a “negative body image,” I would have called you out for trying to have a negative impact on my perfectly healthy self-esteem, and trying to similarly drag down the self-esteem of others who are otherwise healthy but don’t conform to your idea of health.  Too bad you’re still a teacher and educator, but at least you’re not a doctor!

Don’t try to blame society for your own self-esteem problems.  If you’re a certain size, and society makes you feel like it’s the wrong size to be, but you’re criticizing society for making you feel that way, good for you!  Because you already realize that society is wrong in the way it views you or makes you feel about yourself.  Now take that progress and go on to the next step:  Forget about what society tries to dictate and look in the mirror and tell yourself how you feel about yourself, because only you can control how you feel about yourself.  Don’t let other people judge you.  If you’re honest with yourself, then you’ll either be happy with the way you are, or you’ll realize that maybe you have some changes to make to get to your happy place.  Be brave: Love yourself, “fat”, “normal”, or “skinny”!
Oh pleeeaase. When i first saw her pic I suspected they were telling her to lose 10 pounds. She is curvy. Not EVEN CLOSE to thin yet alone too thin. Everyone else is just fat. Size 4 is NOT thin at ALL. Im same height and size 2 And I eat like a piggy.Same as everyone else my size. So this shouldnt even be a subject.
I think that if this girl tries to gain weight, she'll just end up with an eating disorder.  She should get with a trainer and start lifting weights to add curves and definition where she needs it.


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